Posts by The Fall Guy

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Be loyal when a relative is disfellowshipped

by UnshackleTheChains in

well.....they showed that shunning video again.

you know...the one where goldilocks gets disfellowshipped- and the parents look across the hall at her with disdain.....yeah that video.. i was interested to see what kind of answers would be given during the discussion after the video and some of the reactions.

everyone sat there gormlessly staring at the video.

The Fall Guy

J.W.'s with disfellowshipped family members should never forget the "loving provision" the org has, (not the Bible) namely, that "glorious ones" in their congregation (elders) can safely discuss spiritual topics/reactivation with d/f'd ones, but the relatives cannot and must not. Sounds logical to me. :(

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Oh The Irony

by FedUpJW in

so i sat and suffered through the clam tonight.. everything was pretty much as dull, repetitious, and simple-minded as i have come to expect, but i was really struck by the mind-numbing idiotic comments made during the part about shunning family.. then came the book study (no real bible use) loaded with self-congratulatory b.s about how wt never has, and never will beg, solicit, or ask for money.

i could feel myself beginning to channel the old tasmanian devil cartoon character as i listened to that garbage while remembering the jdubya tv shows about how more money was going out than coming in and give more.

but finally came the most ironic (to me) part of the entire meeting and i could not help bursting out in a loud belly laugh that got me many dirty looks and heavy frowns.

The Fall Guy

I'll be watching the people's faces as I visit (unavoidably!) a foreign speaking congregation.

Key quotations: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5184209385684992/next-weeks-bible-study-k-h

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Saying hello for first time

by pimojw in

i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!

it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.

(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.

The Fall Guy

Welcome PIMOJW.

Lurking for so long must've given you a lot of comfort and encouragement to see such a "large army" of people like yourself. From a fellow fader, enjoy and thrive on your new road.

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Next week's "Bible" Study at the K.H.

by The Fall Guy in

one or two notable points from chapter 18 of "god's kingdom rules.".

“it will never beg nor petition men for support”.

7 brother russell and his associates refused to imitate the money-raising schemes so common in the churches of christendom.

The Fall Guy

One or two notable points from chapter 18 of "God's Kingdom Rules."

“It Will Never Beg nor Petition Men for Support”

7 Brother Russell and his associates refused to imitate the money-raising schemes so common in the churches of Christendom. (but his successors promptly emulated them) In the second issue of the Watch Tower, under the heading “Do You Want ‘Zion’s Watch Tower’?” Russell stated: “‘Zion’s Watch Tower’ has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. (oh-oh!) When He.........fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication.” Over 130 years later, The Watchtower and the organization that publishes it are still going strong! (a slight exaggeration by the “faithful slave”)

8 Jehovah’s people do not beg for money. They do not pass collection plates or send out letters of solicitation. (a mega lie by the “faithful slave”)

19 Local congregation expenses. Funds are used to pay for the operation and upkeep of the Kingdom Hall. The elders might recommend that some funds be sent to the local branch office for use in furthering the worldwide work. (Some? The org’s recent 4 page letter of solicitation “advises” [demands] that all congregations should donate every excess cent to the org)

The worldwide brotherhood will unitedly exhibit cognitive dissonance next week. (at least the "loyal" ones will)

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J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible

by The Fall Guy in

perhaps potential j.w.

recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.. w98 2/1 p. 11 par.

13 – “when jehovah made his covenant, it was only with israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”.

The Fall Guy

@ darkspilver - thank you for your posts. It's good to see different perspectives on certain topics - past and present - and also to highlight them as you have done. I reckon that most newbies are like me and have not researched historical posts here, unless cited or quoted by others. To use an old org mantra - "repetition for emphasis" - I think it would be beneficial for such ones to read some of those posts which you previously listed, as well as some other ones. I will always provide attributable links for any which I copy & paste.

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J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible

by The Fall Guy in

perhaps potential j.w.

recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.. w98 2/1 p. 11 par.

13 – “when jehovah made his covenant, it was only with israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”.

The Fall Guy

@ darkspliver (or spilver) - H.L.& S :) Your M.O. is so transparent.

Having viewed some of your past comments, you appear to have a problem with any scriptural topics which put the cult's dogmas in a poor light. Hmmmm.

The WT mole surfaces again.

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J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible

by The Fall Guy in

perhaps potential j.w.

recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.. w98 2/1 p. 11 par.

13 – “when jehovah made his covenant, it was only with israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”.

The Fall Guy

Perhaps potential J.W. recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.

w98 2/1 p. 11 par. 13 – “When Jehovah made his covenant, it was only with Israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”

This statement is then followed by citing Exodus 12:38; 19:3, 7, 8 as scriptural “proof” that the org is being accurate, honest and truthful.

Being selective with scriptures to prove a point? Isn't that what bad old Christendom is accused of by the WTBTS?

Deuteronomy 29:10-15 denounces the lie and the liars at the WTBTS, and obliterates at a stroke their "type/antitype" dogma of the 2 tier system.

“All of you are stationed today before Jehovah your God, the heads of your tribes, your elders, your officers, every man of Israel, 11 your children, your wives, and your foreign resident who is in the midst of your camp, from the one gathering your wood to the one drawing your water. 12 You are here in order to enter into the covenant of Jehovah your God and his oath, which Jehovah your God is making with you today 13 in order that he may establish you today as his people and that he may be your God, just as he has promised you and just as he swore to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.14 “Now it is not with you alone that I am making this covenant and this oath, 15 but it is with those standing here with us today before Jehovah our God and with those who are not here with us today."

Where is a "new light" when you need one?

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My Mothers Ultimate Rejection

by What Now? in

i went into my mother's office to leave her a small note to say that we love and miss her and would love to get together.

i found this on her desk.

this is jehovah's witnesses.

The Fall Guy

I'm so sorry for your situation WHATNOW. Being eliminated from our families by the cult-indoctrinated mentality is not easy to absorb in silence. It makes you feel like screaming at them, to waken them up to the evil which they are swallowing hook, line, and sinker. Many of us here were once like that, but thankfully, "independent thinking" prevailed and we dared to look behind the curtain.

Return evil for evil to no one, and show them exactly why they and their cult are disgusting.

Don't imitate them - shame them by being exemplary. I wish you peace in all of this.

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Another lie. This time from the UK Branch

by alanv in

andrew schofield, a spokesman for jehovah’s witnesses in britain, states: “for almost 60 years, our administrative operations for britain have been located in london.

however, larger facilities became necessary due to the increased demand for bible-related literature and materials.

we began site preparation on the 34-hectare (approx.

The Fall Guy

Lostandfound - "I hear no rumblings of discontent from these once worshipped stars of the universe."

If your whole life, family & friends, and most likely, employment and financial support were totally dependent on you keeping your mouth shut about the org...........................it's a no-brainer really.

The real truth is probably that many booted Bethelites and full-time servants - if not most - are sickened by what they've experienced by being reliant on the cult. Loyalty is not a term I'd apply to them - fear is more appropriate.

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September 11, 2017 Re: Global Assistance Arrangement for the 2018 Service Year

by wifibandit in

september 11, 2017 to all congregations in the united states re: global assistance arrangement for the 2018 service year.

The Fall Guy

DARKSPILVER said - AFAIK by joining up with the GAA, congregations avoid having to pay for commercial insurances (which would cost more?)

The org's alleged insurance scheme? When my previous KH was seriously damaged, two RBC hitmen were sent from the Branch to have a meeting with the Elders. They tried (unsuccessfully) to get the congregation to pay for certain aspects of the repair work, but were successful in requiring that the congregation members carry out many hours of clean up work and painting, before the RBC were sent in. And we waited months for the hall to be done.

So the answer is this - the org's insurance may cost the congregations more.